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Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & MediaNovember 25, 2008 5:24 pm

Mary Cloake:  Thanking people… the conference went well… will be available in podcast… we’ll keep the website live over the next few weeks until the conference output is loaded up. We’d like you to send us stuff to put on the website.  [I wonder if I’ll do that?]

A learning experience for me… energy enthusiam and intellect of people impressed me.  We have a policy context into which this fits.  The expertise is not in the Arts Council, it’s here in the room.

Meaning is co-created.

Thanks to John Kelly.

Arts and enjoyment….. I hope you enjoyed it.  Thank you very much.

Wow it’s over.  That was some experience.  Now I need a drink and some reflection.

 

Poetry, Art & Science, Blogging & Media 5:18 pm

(3) Question for a woman:  what would you want to do with the content? 

Damian Mulley: I don’t want control of the content.  I want different curators.

Why?

Because I want opinions.  Everyone should have the right to content paid for by tax payer. Amateurs and professional opinions. Amateur opinions is way better, in my opinion.

(4) Thanks for today.  A woman with a northern accent… will there be a forum be set up? 

Reply Arts Council:  not decided.  Nothing gets done… we went this to be the start of discussion.  We want dialogue to continue… (Is she serious?  She stressing this is a "very genuine" intention.)

[But will the Arts Council come on blogs and say something?  I’m going to ask that question.  But maybe I should shut up.  Who would be authorised to say something from the Arts Council? ]

(5) Statement: audiences neglected today… individually people in the arts trying to do something, but have you anything to say about how the Arts Council will take a lead.

Arts Council: we’re absolutely committed to finding out about the audience… we are in an information vacuum [Wow, this is extra-ordinary admission.]

I don’t agree that little is know about the audience.  I bet plenty is known and ignored, and easy to get at.

Audience: how do we think of the audience?  Arts Council: we need to look beyond the traditional view of audience - people who have stuff done to them…

(6) Congrats to Arts Council for today.  Stay in touch.

(7) Legacy: we can’t look to others for following this up.  Bulletin board.  2006 census.  31% under 24.  If we don’t embrace new media, we’ll lose future audience.  The live experience has a new premium attached to it.

(8) Please address POlicy in the new paradyme… please cultural hierarchy… serious ask for fundamental thinking.

Andrew Tayler: lacking… very stuck in mechanics… how a blog works… policy defines the world we’d like to exist…  How do we create a space within which people can eat and create…

(9) Omaniblog: What difficulties will it create within the Arts Council if you go back and suggest that the Arts Council come on to blogs and contribute

Art Council: I don’t think that sort of idea is antithetical to our approach.

(10) Question: how do we involve the older person, the over 55? Are they in danger of being left out?

John Kelly:  How do you get that other voice represented on the panel?

Andrew Taylor: if you draw your circle larger you’ll get more people involved.

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & Media 4:56 pm

John Kelly in the chair…

Question to David McKenna RTEdoes RTE still see itself as Andrew Keen described the BBC ?

Never did.  This is a small country, listeners and viewers.  They feel they own the space we work in.  The stories we tell are their stories.  Very important we have that relationship.  New media is qualitatively different.  Ideas of judgement and expertise come from the Web (eg Trip Adviser) What could this mean for the Arts? There is no lack in freely available opinion.  It’ll be the interaction between the panelists.  And the conversation could continue afterwards. 

Curation of a public space: not suggesting we hand over the space to the audience for the benefit of the audience.

Dance in the box website.  I’ve not seen it.  Daily dance blog. Not just a review.  Immediate opinion.  Combining:

what happened,

who was there,

and review.

Stephanie O’Callaghan, Arts Council.

We want to start a conversation today… aware of the potential of new media… artists using media to produce new work… really open up a discourse and dialogue among people working in the arts…

Has the AC got the expertise to sustain this?

We don’t have the answers… we’re keen to enter into partnership… we can lead… the discussion here today… 

Andrew Taylor, Bolz Center: are we having a conversation we should have had a long time ago?

No, this is the conversation I hear at conferences all over the place. A great time to be having it now. Extraordinary opportunity Ireland has: a small market… a few major funders, boulders.  You could become a hothouse for innovation if you wanted to be… Less could be more…  now everyone has to have a blogger on the staff… (no one suggested the blogger should be on the staff)… we should be doing this, but nothing getting done… Systemic blockage…  Pull some levers and see what happens…

Open to the floor:

(1) Man, question: Arts Council needs to lead and to fund…If we delay, will be miss it all.

Artists act and then think about what they’ve done: act first, reflect later.  In other words, do it now, and think about it as they are doing it. Reflective practice. An art organisation should focus with extraordinary clarity on what it can do best…. Tiny interventions that change the systems: pay a blogger a penny for each ticket bought.

(2) Damian Mulley: could I have my content back… hand it over to people who would look after it… put up all your archives… more people would become interested in art… you have to give it out to them… you can’t download it… and it’s shit quality.

RTE response: let’s park the archive thing.  Legal issues.  Beckett experience was so hard for us to use the archive material.  Resources involved in clarifying the legal situation,

Andrew Taylor: release all right to future content… a new contract… a fair use agreement…

JK: I wouldn’t resist.

RTE: we’re setting up systems… Issues around revenue: the content we have is worth money on the internet… impediment: if there’s any possibility of getting revenue from it, they won’t agree to this idea.  arts@rte.ie: move to centralise media and data… our use of it could be more sophisticated

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Customer service 3:41 pm

Someone’s saying RTE is a very good place for conversations on the arts and music.  But it’s not doing enough.  Whether Arts organisations need to take their lives in their own hands and relate to their audience.

Free events newsletter: anyone heard of it.  I haven’t.  I will see it.  11 A4 pages long.  Free.  Talk about what you’re doing.  I’m on line most of the time, I’m not watching TV.  

Contact the bloggers.  Ask them to turn up

Hurray.  Some good advice from a blogger to arts people.

Invite those amateurs in.  Haarness them.  Get their chatter going.  Diary every day.  Rehersals.  Dermot Moore is so right.  It as simple as that.

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & Media 3:39 pm

One panelist is saying that art organisations in Ireland are not using the power of the new social networking tools.  You get hairdressers if you google "arts".

There is a comment on one of the earlier pieces.  I’m criticised for the way I spoke to Andrew Keen.  Even though I’d have loved to get a comment saying ‘I agree with you.  I like your style…’  I m fortune that the person who commented say what was on her mind here.  She was certainly thinking it and I had no idea how this blog on the conference would be received.  She could easily have stayed quiet and kept her counsel so I’m fortunate she thought it worth her time to send a comment.

 

This is in a room on the top floor.  It’s hot.  Another person is saying that not enough people from the arts are engaged in blogs.  Younger people are less afraid.  I’m so old here.  The Kilkenny blogger seems to be blogging a lot.  Ken’s blog.  Frank too and that’s it.  

Damian Mulley says there’s not a lot of people blogging about the arts in such a way that will hook young people.  So  is this a gathering of old fashioned people? That’s not meant to be insulting, but there’s a lot of talk here about a gap between the arts and people.

Imagination

Will

Resources

says Dermot McLaughlin.  That’s what’s needed.  I’ll keep quiet.  I’m not enough of an insider.  And I’m distracted by the thoughts about how I may have hurt people here.  I love vigorous engagement, too much.

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & Media 2:37 pm

About 70 here…

Peter Fitzpatrick (Microsoft Ireland) is talking.  He’s a musician I think. He speaks softly and clearly. He’s showing products for CD Rom. He now supports product groups: script writers, Russian companies, Mexico - partnering with them. Regularly uses "LinkedIn" to find people.  Use MySpace to put his music out there. Real time encoding of surround sound….

Whatever you have now will be faster, cheaper… easier…

The best product is not always the one that survives… (Betamax)

I don’t know how these computers work…

We are all creative…. we are not all creating art…

Conor Mc Garrigle, a net artist since 1999.  It opened opportunities for me.  Founded stunned.org. He has an international arts practice.  My art career took off once I stopped making the objects.

Uses internet as a medium.  By-passes galleries. Festivals - works through them. I don’t see a distinction between the internet and real life.

Joyce Walks: re-enact Blooms day in any city in the world,  I must look at this.  Most of my work is done by walking on the street.

2008: 80 walks, 39 cities, 24 hours. Organised throught new media networds. Opened up access to a new audience.  Work takes place through the action of the participants themselves: I give them a framework. I research in the graduate school somewhere.  Is there a way to let participants in?

Fearghus O’Concuir (choreographer) ‘Moderator’ (his term) of the session - talks with a good feel for the theory of what is being done.  Optimism or realism? 

Fearghus O’Concuir (choreographer) responses: you have to use the opportunities that are there.

Conor McGarrigle: we can’t ignore the internet.  It exists and we must deal with it in a meaningful way.  Art has always reflected the social changes. I don’t think we have the options of ignoring it.

Peter Fitzpatrick: the glass is more than 3/4 full here. Internet is like all the others, print, radio …

Questions from audience (1435):

(1)  Access in rural areas. 23% of the territory covered in Ireland.  How lobby?

(2) How is your gallery funded?

(3) Do you get a lot of material sent in to you?  No, it goes on Flickr et al

(4) A comment: real time, very exciting… game development  Getlive.com (instant messaging, video editing, on line storage)  Livemesh.com

(5) Broadband:  via handset in India & china. 

Advice from panel:

Don’t be scared by technology.

The next trend: different voices, computers in the living room.  Laptop out of office.

Pen and paper will still be popular.  I’ll still use it.  You can feed back to developers of software what you don’t like and what you do.  Convergence is coming.  X-box game show: audience will be part of it.  You could be selected to be live on the show.  Sitting on a football forum talking about the match…

Will an audience be sitting there tapping on their computers?  My children don’t watch TV the way I used to.  They play on their laptop while watching.

Work where the audience becomes directly involved.  Art for arts sake that no one ever sees…  

A lot more stuff being done with maps. (I must use this in the PDF of Family Birthdates project)  People are now coming back into the traditional galleries. Convergence. Artists with a variety of tools available to them.

 

 

Depression & Health, Politics, Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & Media 2:13 pm

I love being here.  It’s so stimulating.  I’m getting all sort of ideas from the experience of meeting people, listening, and thinking.

Groundswell: read it.  Its about social media, people using it, Asian use patterns.  Lots of statistics there.

Nicola Brown a natural energiser.

I’m so impressed by what they’re doing in the South-East art office.

Someone just came up to me and fed it back to me that I’d given the impression of being dissatisfied with the conference.  I was taken aback.  Upset even.  Awful to be misunderstood.  I probably deserve it because I’ve sounded off about the process I’ve not enjoyed.

No process prevents me from enjoying myself.  I can draw value out of adversity.  The act of blogging a conference like this, is a great way to get out emotions with the force that they come first.  It also gives an opportunity for reflection and I’m processing it all as it goes along.

But I’ve been given a message. and the messanger didn’t stay long enough for me to let it sink in properly.  I’ve got a rude awakening.  There are people out there reading what I’m writing and they can be hurt by some of the things I say.  

I guess I’ve been like that as long as I remember.  Maybe it would help me to be aware of the huge hard work that’s gone into making this happen.  People are rightly proud of their achievement.

Time for a bit of calm and gentle writing from now on.  I hope that no one minds that I’ve written about receiving that message: it was sent to make me more rounded and aware of the outside world.

Maybe I’m just a cranky person and enjoy being a complainer…

Work & Play, Blogging & Media 1:58 pm

There is only one county arts website where blogs by artists are displayed.  That’s on Artlinks.

Fabulous to be hearing about innovation: the leader in the field…

We give bursaries, bit ones.

A Wiki-type art file… I may not have heard that right.

Why are they not all doing this?

Cost.  Their strategic plans.  I don’t know the full background. 

The arts officers seem to work in their own professional background.  Maybe it’s going to remain unusual.  Little local budget for marketing.  But I think this could be done at very low cost: there could be a local volunteer who draws no salary.  They could operate within a framework of policy and standards set down by the arts officers.  But volunteers could lift a load of work off arts officers.  Volunteers would have all the energy and enthusism of the enthusiast.  It could be a great project for a young person seeking to develop their skill at networking, community development… Or it could be done by a ‘retired’ person… Or it could be done by a consortium of bloggers.

The thing that gets in the way are 

(1) people protecting their professional area: you can only do this if you have the right background with relevant qualifications.  This helps reduce the pool of people who could take over parts of my job and I could continue to be indispensibe… It might help my job security.

(2) the belief that everythings costs money: we don’t have a budget for it, therefore we can’t do it.  Only things that cost get done.  But civil society does so much that isn’t paid.  Maybe there is a set of thoughts about how everyone should be paid for their skills.  That’s noble but that leaves the power to do in the hands of those that dispense funding.

(3) Inexperience: pure bloody inexperience - we have never done this.  This is scarry because it is new.  We are cautious publicly accountable people working with a mindset that does not reward innovation and experimentation.  We don’t punish conservatism.

(4) We are already overworked, therefore, by definition, we can’t give time to resourcing such a nebulous uncontrolled new project.  If we could take it on, that would undermine our case that we are stretched to the pin of our collars.  We need to look snowed-under.

(5) Outsiders within the system are hard to control.  We couldn’t manage them.  They might embarras us.  A rogue might get in and start following hobbyhorses.  Better to take leadership from people accountable to someone within.

 

 Rhymerag - see it.

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & Media 1:36 pm

Artlinks

promotes artists.  A poet can register.  Can update their profile.  Arts curators can find artists at a click of a button.

She is showing us the website.  She’s from the southern hemilphere.

Amateurs and professionals showing themselves on the site.  Young people in their 20s.  

My job is to keep 18 year olds engaged

Their expressions, their events, their work… all visible on the site.

Artlinks aims to be the point where artists start: they find the Arts Council from the site. Constant conversations between her and the artists.

Younger people are more mobile: they can put themselves in several categories.  Links to Flickr.

Drama League of Ireland, 45 years established, full time office for only 4 years. 

How do you garner new audiences?

How long does it take you to do it? A few hours.  Users put us a lot of the content. I use a content management system.  I’ve a MA in media.  I’m a practising artist who uses the web tools.  I’ve upskilled myself. 

How do you deal with rogue artists?  When we put it together we made people have to log in.  Recently we decided to put the forum to the front.  I moderate the comments. People are saying this website is fantastic.  There’s a lot of fear of social networking. Its a huge challenge for people working in the arts who aren’t used to this way of doing things.  We have farmers putting themselves on the website. 

We put out a course brochure.  A monthly e-bulletin.  There is only me.

"Here’s how I did it in Wicklow…"  That man again from the Irish organisation.  We rang the travelling library, all the ladies would be there.  He’s talking as if we all knew each other.  How do we get to them?  My mother is over 70 and she has her own blog.

Sue Russell, Age and Opportunity, we run classes.

Arts review.com - look at it.  Ning.com a facebook that can freely be modified and used by groups.

She telling us a lot but not looking for questions round the group of 10.  More talking at us. 

980 in 18 months.  Most are visual artists.  Musicians use MySpace.  We are trying to involve others.  Writers engage less with the Arts Office.  We ran a course on beginners blogging.

This is all great stuff.  Pity she doesn’t enquire…

What are we interested in.   It’s now 1329.

For Writers: "Memoirs of Nepal" published by blurb.com written by Cathy Fitzgerald.  She is showing writers that they can self-publish at reasonable cost.

Man: I’ve been working with major companies in Ireland.  Why Bebo took off.  If I show you how others have done it, you will be interested…  It’s not complicated and expensive.

Poetry, Art & Science, Blogging & Media 12:37 pm

It’s 1156.  I suspect this event will continue in this vein.  And I’ll leave dissatisfied at how the talent of the participants is not utilised.

Assertiveness is tough.  People go so passive.  Sit as an audience.  Maybe taking time off, resting.  But they are not the authors of their own day.  They are recipients.

The panel know that young people today want to do, to make their own shows.  Apparently, without realising it, the panel disempower the audience.  Eoin began with several questions. he knew something was needed after the last slot.  He knows we need participation to bring this experience alive.  He has an intuitive grasp of all this.

Talking heads.  Listening heads.  If there was another blogger here, we could have fun between different rooms.  One blogger in one room and other bloggers in other rooms.  The laptop could be open with several windows, all there on one screen in front of you.  You could see what going on over there.

We could compare notes on the processes at work in each room.  Obviously there would be big differences in content but process is everywhere.  We can easily have dialogue around process.

I feel like putting a timer on each speaker.  I feel like screaming at Eoin.

He’s turning it out to us.  He’s said we are in the room.

The man in the audience asks a question.  The panel replies and we and we are back into the same dynamic.  I better think of something else to blog about…

How about having the panel in the middle of the room?

Another question: I make a programme.  How do I use the web to enhance what I do.  I don’t know.

Answer from Eoin: You may have to cede some control.  Conn chips in with his experience.  Let it expand organically… Let people call in…

RTE project: Storylines from drama dept.  Scripts collected, broadcast, public vote.  Reality show.  One winner.  Depending on the quality of the product, they’ll be funded to produce it professionally.

 There are a lot of people who don’t have original ideas.. says RTE. Blogs are there, useful

I am given the microphone:

I don’t have a question, but a fundamental philosophical psychological difference with the last speaker.  I make an impassioned plea for a different point of view. I try to say I differ. I try to say ‘you’re wrong’ without saying ‘you’re wrong’.

The panel speak as if they know.  

Conn isn’t interested in authority.  He’s staking out the consumer’s point of view.  I’m a consumer.  I quit the media, because the authority of editors, and managers.  Their concerns were making enought money to pay everyone’s mortgage.  That authority restricted me from producing the kind of programmes I wanted to produce.  

Now the panel have taken it back, the authority to speak.  They privilege their own talk from the platform above the 100 people sitting here watching them.

The room is full of watchers.  The few doers who do the talking have the floor, and I made myself one of them.

What I said was too complex to be coherent.  I wasn’t clear enough yet .

Briefly please, the chair says.

The internet provides an opportunity….    You can find an audience for your film.  I remember what it was like in the 1990s.  We made our own videos.  It was so exciting.  Now another speaker from platform.

No one has responded to what I said.  But I’m glad I said it.  There may well be someone down here who has heard me stuggle to express my dissatisfaction.  I remember how I went to other conferences, what it was like at UCD in 1968-71.  How we protested at being lectured at.  We could go into the library and read the books.  What we craved was dialogue.  Full on engagement.  We hated being traditional students.

How little things have shifted over the years.  I thought the sixties would revolutionise the relationship between people so that the future would be multi-voiced.  There would be a breaking down of traditional authority-filled discourse.  Out would come a more exciting cauldron, a steamy flow of cut and thrust.

They would be better to be in a circle and the audienc could listen in and watch what they are doing . The audience could have their own computers and could blog their impressions, responsed, reactions, feedback, resolutions.  Their comments could be recorded.  And there could be a follow-up session where the panel gather knowing what the audience have been thinking.  How different would Act 2 be?  Imagine convening a conversation after you know what your audience starting point is.

This model of a workshop is workshoping in the dark, being clueless as to what non-talkers are thinking.

A woman on the stage says ‘twitter is really good’, followers on twitter.  

Conn: that’s cultivating…

I love the energy that flows through that word ‘cultivating’.

How many people here would call themselves ‘artist’?

How many here would call them selfs ‘not creative’?

My gut feel is that there must be people here, who have said nothing, who are checking out what sort of ideas are flowing around.  A small ‘not-yet-a-band’.

"That’s marketing".

To which I say "marketing" is such a limited word.

The question we haven’t answered or asked is can these tools be used to create.

Poetry, Art & Science, Blogging & Media 11:55 am

include Conn O’Muineachain.  I told him I’d been depressed for over a year and that I’m well now.  He said he liked my question to Andrew Keen.  That was good to hear because even thought my main reference point for whether my action is good lies deep within my self, I still value what others think.  If he’d said that was a rubbish question, I’d have taken that as telling me something new about him.

Eoin Purcell, Mercier Press I met too.  Great to run into him because I ran a training course on strategic planning in about October 2007, after I got depressed.  First met him there.  It was good to tell him about my depression because I was bothered by whether I’d been awful that day.  Explaining how I was now better, and asking him if he’d like to meet up for coffee in  Cork, helped me too.

Otherwise, I met a pleasant guy from UCD who teaches on the MBA course there.  He’s dipping his toes into the blogging water.  I offered to help him if he wanted another sounding board.

Next, I’m at the workshop "New Media in Practice".  Most of the people here, about 100, are bloggers.  A small number of ‘twitters’.  Lots of ‘Facebook’. 

"Anyone live-blogging here?" asked Eoin Purcell.

One, yours truely…

On this panel:  Conn O Muineachain (New Media Specialist and Blogger)

Sheila de Courcy (Head of Young People’s Programming RTE)

She’s speaking now:

text doesn’t work for youngsters

they like being first, so they can show their friends

something slightly different and strong

four different age groups

know your audience.

Maura McHugh (writer and blogger)  talks about what she does.  Her remit is to deliver a limited range of info to members.  (What members?)  Newsletter email as well as the blog.  There are writers who don’t use computers. ‘Text is dead’ is not right.  A lot of places pay authors for their work.  Social networking sites can be very good.  Electronic submissions make it easier these days.  You used to be a loca artist.  Now you can relate to a much wider arena.

Nicky Gogan (Film maker, Darklight Film Festival) talking about a model of collaboration between teenagers: videos on U-Tube.  We pick the ones we like - we go run workshops for them.  The final ten films are there now.

Why isn’t there a lot more engagement with us the audience.  We seem to be using the most traditional  model of relationship between panel and particiapants. Now we view a funny film probably made by teenagers.  Funny.  Laughs in the audience.  A spoof programme.  Good fun.  Light relief.  We need it because this is so wordy.  The panel of 4 go on and get to talk.  What are we to do sitting here.  At least I have this tool for screaming out how  much better this could be.  The audience sits here, translating everything into its frames of reference.  We are incredibly active as listeners.  But we are treated as passive. 

Eoin turns and brings the audience in.  Thank goodness.  But we are quickly into question and answer mode.  Question followed by another long panel spiel.  I’, being very critical but I do know they are doing their best - within an ancient paradigm.

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & Media 11:04 am

Andrew Keen: "When I’ve figured it out?"

Omaniblog  :  "Then you’ve passed your sell-by date."

That was my best shot at a pithy question to put to the panel.  The chair asked for short questions.  The panel gives long answers.  So there can be few questions.  

The BBC developing a Wikipedia would be very exciting.  Professionals using the tools.  My book was written for an America audience.  More state finance is my way forward.

Credible news resources.  Otherwise it’ll degenerate in America.

We’re nearing a break now.  About time.  Charles Leadbetter hasn’t given us enough on little pebbles.  But there is the day to come.  There is plenty of time to go.

Perhaps I’m the oldest person in the room.  Great.  This is a young person’s world.  The future is young.

We ask too little of the web… said someone.  

The web is extremely conventional.  We need Web 3.0.  We need to fight back against the democratising oligarchies.

Claps….

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & Media 11:01 am

(1) People who have jobs, create viable business models.  Not-for-profit newspapers.

(2) Hammond wasn’t square. Collaboration, communication, community.  No such thing as collaborative art…  

I wish Andrew Keen would shut up now.  He’s simply repeating his book. He’s boring me, and I’m on his side.  I see him as a valuable pimple, a cold bath, needed to put down the excess of the quanitative movement, the one that values hits on web sites more than quality of product.

Rubbish squared.  Andrew loves his own voice, badly needs someone to say ‘you’ve said that, now what else do you have to say…’

Seamus Heaney on the web.  Pat Cotter is here.  Wopee.  An intelligent voice in the audience.  Relief to hear him speak.  He knows what he’s talking about.  A community of peers.

Poetry, Art & Science, Blogging & Media 10:46 am

Self promotes brilliantly.  The person of talent who is shy, what happens to them?  Shy eccentric.  Fine for a type of artist.  Marketing means everything.

But it’s always been hard for the shy artists.  

 

Uncategorized 10:30 am

American accent. 

 

I was the one who wrote ‘utopian cretin’…  Another open shirt.  Cocky north Londoner.  He does have a north london  twang…  Everyone’s a Jew, including me. I didn’t have Charles’ Songs of Praise experience.  Leadbetter’s point is a product of his difficult youth.

52m views: how much money has he made out of it?  That’s not the question says Charles.  It’s I want to be a better guitarist.

I’m assuming the question of how you are paid for your creative work is relevant.  How do you monetise your creative.  You need to be paid.  That is why CHarles is a utopian, idealising this culture.  

"The German Ideology" by Karl Marx.  Charles’s point comes from there.   Andrew is stuck in a British debate.  Defending artistic professionalism…

Cultural anti-authoritarianism… sixties.  eighties economic free marketism put those together and you get the internet.  How they destroyed authority.  This technology does not come value free.  The self-publishing internet intensely personalising culture… My son does the same as Charlie’s son.  Any one with a blog to become a cultural authority…  He’s repeating his book, giving us the generalisations, the conclusions.

Ideological struggle:  who’s camp are you in?  Cultural authority is one of the key issues of now.

Gramscian perspective of Charles.

I began life as a podcaster.  I interviewed people: I had to do it all.  I bought into the idea that we could dish the BBC.  Into that utopian notion.

The product I created was shit.

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play 10:00 am

I wonder how many in this room are blogging it now?  How could I find out?  Maybe I could google the conference…

Obama is a boulder who talks pebble

Marvellous metaphor.  We need new ways of thinking about it.  Charles talks without notes, without PowerPoint.  He’s engaged me.

(1) experiences = enjoy experiences, intensely personal about them, engaged , absolutely absorbing, museum experience, very intense.  The role of the artist is to challenge the way we see the world.  Deiberately shocking to viewers.  Does things to you…

(2) experience = talk experiences… like football talk…I talk about it 3-4 hours with my mates on twitter, facebook.  the content is valuable.  Socialising points.  Talk is the point.  We talk our world.  Deeply social

(3) experience= deeply participative… creating culture… playing games… allow people to do rather than simply receive… Nicholal B relational aestetics… engage participants in the act

enjoy, engage, participate…  The best does all three.

The rub:  there are different ways of aligning things…

My parent 70 25 5

me 50 30 20

8 yr 20, 40,40

the enjoy better be good or he’ll be off.  Sunday night in our house: songs of praise, the thing that was between me and the coming week of school.  Now, i’m off to a web site where I can draw a picture.  Goes and does.  Does an animation  4 animations in an hour.  Read all the help.  Kid became an animator in an hour.

Wow

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & Media 9:59 am

Tall slim, bald-headed with dark rimmed glasses.  Another open neck.  "You are a utopian cretin… Mrs Thatcher" - Charles jokes easily. 

He shows a U Tube video and asks us a question: a boy with electric guitar in his bedroom…  How many people have viewed that video?  An auction starts: 1 million, 5 million,  10 million, 50 million… anyone go higher… A guy on line: 52 million have seen that boy in bedroom.  Jerry Chan story, Tiwanese.  

Charles talks about the chain: no permissions needed.  What’s important is what the boy didn’t have to do…  Charles is inviting us to see a world in which the barriers are down; there is free access and fluid communication…  He paints a lovely picture of what the traditional set up would be: the jumps the author would have to make, the hoops, the phenomenal time it would take to get your video up…

I love his point… an entire genre on U-Tube.  No longer having to ask permission…

Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play 9:50 am

In an open-necked shirt.  I love his voice.  He’s an Arsenal supporter.  Someone else is a Spurs supporter.  Kelly leans on the podium, his weight on his left elbow.

He talk in a conversational style.  He’s just like he is on the radio.  An armchair of a man.

Politics, Work & Play, Blogging & Media, Customer service 9:46 am

I’m live at the conference.  The Minister of State is talking and he’s boring me silly.  He’s giving a speech that was written for him.  No clear main point.  He’s read from the conference agenda.  I think this is an insult to the audience who must surely be as bored as me.  What’s he trying to say?  Maybe he’s simply filling in time, standing up there on the podium making sure he goes on long enough to not have it noticed that he’s completely short-changed us.  He should be ashamed of himself.

On the way up I counted the number of men on the list of delegates: 1/3 men.  I picked out 6 people from Cork and 3 from Galway.  Ever the sociologist, I noticed how dominant Dublin is.  Easily known they began proceedings at about 0900, well before I arrived from Cork.

Great John Kelly is being introduced….

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