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Depression & Health, Politics, Work & Play, Blogging & MediaNovember 18, 2009 7:50 pm

Today I came across a blog post that shook me so much I cut & paste it for you…

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 Drug industry writers behind some articles purportedly written by doctors [in USA]

Monday, Aug. 24, 2009 

A student who hands in a term paper under his own name, when in fact it had been written by someone else, has committed a serious breach of ethics.

The same is true for doctors who allow their bylines to appear above articles published in medical journals when in fact the articles were largely produced by ghostwriters pushing a product.

According to stories published Wednesday by The New York Times and the Associated Press (AP), many doctors have been persuaded by drug companies to cooperate on such articles.

A “sophisticated ghostwriting program” used by London-based drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline to promote an antidepressant pill called Paxil was an example given by Associated Press. Although the company says it has discontinued the ghostwriting program, the news service obtained court documents showing that it had used this marketing tactic.

The danger here is that doctors are trusted. Readers who see a doctor’s name atop an article about a certain drug are apt to believe what is being stated. They would certainly be more skeptical if they knew the article was actually written by people working for the company that makes the drug.

Ghostwritten articles on Paxil, which highlighted doctors as their authors, appeared in five medical journals from 2000 to 2002. AP reported that today hundreds of people are pressing personal injury and wrongful death suits against GlaxoSmithKline, claiming the company downplayed the risks of Paxil.

The (New York) Times disclosed that there is

a growing body of evidence suggesting that doctors at some of the nation’s top medical schools have been attaching their names and lending their reputations to scientific papers that were drafted by ghostwriters working for drug companies — articles that were carefully calibrated to help the manufacturers sell more products.

There are no laws prohibiting ghostwriting. But there is no question that the widespread practice is unethical and that universities and medical associations should crack down. We agree with a bioethics expert at Duke University who told the Times, “To blow this off is not acceptable.” [blow off = to ignore]

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I was so shocked to read that doctors had been signing their names to articles written by Drug companies, I left a comment on the blog. 

Is this happening in Ireland? 


Depression & Health, Politics, Work & PlayOctober 25, 2009 12:43 am

There is an extraordinary conflict going on.  Between a guy in UCD who’s a Professor of Psychiatry (Dinan) and a maverick Irish psychiatrist (Corry).

Dinan has accused Corry of being unfit to practice.  You can find background & other comments here. And here from Orla O’Donovan University College Cork, department of applied social studies.

This is what I wrote this evening as my contribution to that campaign… 

  "I’d like to add my voice to those of you who are doing your best for us. I’m vulnerable to severe depression and have had many bouts since 1992. I’ve been well since September 2008. I have experience of being treated by health professionals in UK & Ireland. I say this in order to put my comments in context. Everything I say is the result of my experience, and I don’t claim to speak for anyone else.

I’ve never heard of Timothy Dinan in UCC. Nor do I know Michael Corry. (I’ve read some of his writings.)

It’s good that this has happened. Good that there is a clear difference between those who support Dinan’s view and Corry’s. It is time we had this out in the open and drew the wider public in.

Bless the psychiatrists.

They try. They use the drugs as their crutch, their treatment of choice. Occasionally they make the time to explore what’s the matter. For the most part they follow a formula, a routine, a habit. They checked I was alive. Said a perfunctory few words which seemed to suggest they were interested on how I was getting on. And then confined their attention to whether I was sleeping, eating and having suicidal urges (or thoughts). This meeting included the experience of being asked whether I was still taking my ‘meds’.

Their level of sophistication, subtlety, attention was disgracefully and transparently inept.

I once presented my psychiatrist with my "relapse prevention plan". Prepared carefully in discussions with my psychiatric nurse. He nodded thanks, put it in my file and stuck to his formula. He ignored me without realising that I could see exactly what he was doing. He displayed no embarrassment. He hadn’t a clue how to do a good job on me.

After being on the receiving end of several psychiatrists, and seeing one of them inculcate this way of working to a student psychiatrist, I realised this was not a matter of poor individuals. This was systemic.

So I approach the question of the struggle between Dinan and Corry with an experienced mind. Dinan plays the professional game. Obviously he is acting out some sort of plan to present himself as a champion of one side of the argument. A professional ego. We must expect that if there wasn’t this Dinan, there would be another Dinan.

This opera has a rich history.

Psychiatrists have always dwelt on the edge of being exposed as frauds. Their drugs give them licence to lord over us user of mental health services. The good old GP has to refer you on to the psychiatrist. You leave the humanity of the GP (if you’re fortunate to find it) who knows he or she is limited in what they can do. You’re handed over to the heavy hitter, who has almost no limit on what may be prescribed. I’m biased as a result of the unfortunate experience of having found more humanity at the bus stop with strangers.

As if Dinan knows what he’s talking about.

I focus on him because others can speak for Corry and his approach. I’ve never met an Irish psychiatrist (except Pat Bracken) who’s come anywhere near persuading me that their first duty is to attend to me. It’s their training, but that’s another story.

As a way of ending…

thanks for reading this much. How can I help us win this fight? What influence can I add to this wonderful campaign to let the Medical Council prove they’re noble and trustworthy. Thanks too for reaching me with your publicicy.

Keep it up.

Depression & Health, Politics, Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Blogging & Media, Customer service, Photography & TravelOctober 15, 2009 11:27 pm


My sister won’t be coming from Arizona for Uncle’s funeral but we’re talking webcam again. We won’t do graveside.

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@topgold Thanks for the info on the Google Jet - all that cash needs to be burned I suppose


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Google Jet eh! RT @topgold:http://twitpic.com/lnsae - @Omaniblog Sergey needs some of that money for his apron fees:http://url.ie/2nfg

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If I take advice (consultancy) in return for giving advice (consultancy)? RT @DavidFFox:@tnteacherTim … If he catches you #barter)

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If I get meat from butcher in return for my service, tax implications RT @DavidFFox:@tnteacherTim @Omaniblog If he catches you . :0))

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Hope so…RT @TweetDeck: Noticing few issues/delays with twitter API over past few hours, hopefully things will return to normal shortly

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@tomwoolway I’ve just realised you were generous enough to offer me help in future - you’re good to know. Come to Cork


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I love this feature:RT @inshin@OmaniblogHootsuite - Can see what a tweet is in reply to#tweetdeck

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@tnteacherTim I had a strong suspicion you’d have already figured out that we don’t need to do everything thru money. #barter

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@DavidFFox I do barter all the time. Whenever I talk to someone for free, I give them a service - and vice versa

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Did you know this? I didn’t. RT @adamcoomes: Google has $22 Billion In Cashhttp://bit.ly/35UfKp

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@ladydotty I’ve never used g-mail. I’d be very upset if my email’s went down. Yahoo Mail has never gone down on me

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9:27pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

RT @SmarterEgg: Good question, tough answer RT @BrianTracy: What 1 skill, if U mastered it, would be most beneficial to Ur life or business?

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9:26pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

@goodwineshow If I sit at the goodwineshow, bloggingly drinking all day, will you throw me out please

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9:25pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

I can’t wait to drink/taste your goodies RT@goodwineshow: collected leaflets & posters - they look great they’ll be going out soon

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9:23pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

The best way to keep your taxbill down is to barter a lot of work? Discuss please

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9:22pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

Looks like all the papers are falling into place, and the taxman cometh for very little

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9:20pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

@ladydotty These sort of obstacles and letdowns are sent as an opportunity to practise overcoming adversity - they help us improve eh?

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8:30pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

@Dogfoodlady Tax returns are fun. It’s only thinking about them that turns people off

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8:28pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

@CityLocal_Cork Some BNI stars missing in the morning. Subs to the rescue…

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7:35pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

I put that question to website optimisers because I find my blog on page1, and I wasn’t even trying. @CityLocal_Cork

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7:33pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

Website optimisers: what would U have me do to get my blog on page1 (1-10) of Google search "Paul Durcan" - 22,800 entries? How did I do it?

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7:25pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

Return inspired RT @SmarterEgg:@CityLocal_Cork @salsatanja @rogeroverall@venue_finder Enjoy BNI Enfield conference, best to @dinahbni

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7:22pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

Not mad about the look of Hootsuite, prefer the black of their main competitor. Hootsuite took longer to update itself

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7:20pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

@tomwoolway Thanks Tom. I bet Tweetdeck works fine for people who are able to overcome obstacles

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7:18pm, Oct 15 from HootSuite

Thank you all you good people who tried to help me move up to Tweetdeck V31.0. I got there but it nearly killed me. Hootsuite now

Tweetdeck: There is one person out here who has run out of patience. You’re dead. Off to another deck

@ladydotty Enjoy the Yoga. You have my best wishes. I’ve just lost my Tweetdeck entirely

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Tweetdeck saga: (6) Choose "Replace" or "Cancel" (7) I hit "replace". (8) I hit "cancel". Ahaaaah… Help this individual

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Tweetdeck saga: (4) Clicked Open (5) "The App. U opened already exists on this system & is currently running. You must close…"

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Tweetdeck: still fighting with it - (1) Closed tweetdk (TD). (2) Went http://bit.ly/le3sM (3) Got App. Install: Wd U like to open or save?

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Tweetdeck: thanks v much @richardbarley@jmwhittaker @inshin The problem is that I tried to exit TD as per instructions & went wrong

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I click to install Tweetdeck v 31. It takes me thru a routine into a dead end loop @richardbarley

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Welcome to the world of running before walking… RT @iia: Aha Twitterfeed is broken. .. Also no access to Twitterfeed.com.

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@tnteacherTim As soon as there’s a new v Tweetdeck advertised, I want it… I know I have a track record in this area

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Don’t leave it late again…RT @chasejarvis: Pumped to speak @Amazon today to a million+ people about #bestcamera! What should I say?

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Adobe: installed your latest offering without any trouble. Thank you

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Tweetdeck: if 2 people in my tiny circle are struggling to install you latest offering, you’ve screwed up… Help us fast, please

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RT @startupstudent: "If you’re interested in ‘balancing’work&pleasure, stop trying 2 balance. Instead make work morepleasurable"Donald Trump

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Tweetdeck: struggling to load up the new version. Am I the only person who can’t get it to work?

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@eoinpurcell Pure, raw anger is good. We haven’t enough of it in Ireland. But that’s different from being stupid

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@eoinpurcell And I bet you they hadn’t a clue how badly they presented Donegal to someone thinking about going there

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@eoinpurcell The people who were angry on the radio today in the prog on Donegal were mainly politicians & they were a shower

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RT @SmarterEgg: re Nokia & "Breaking From The Pack"- nothing lasts forever! constant calculated reinvention and still no guarantee

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"The business is in the room. You (simply) have to find it" said Dermot Kelly lawyer @BNImeeting where business was looking for business

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No longer "breaking from the pack"?@smarteregg RT @IrishTimesBiz: Nokia posts surprise quarterly loss http://short.ie/fvzwc6

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Poem: "Is there any difference between the new poet and the poet of experience?" - omani@TheWhiteHousePoets #CUISLE

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Irish Limerick: "Boyne Berries" is published by Boynewriters.com. Michae Farry from Trim read @#CUISLE in The White House. Met him

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Limerick: remind me I gathered loads of intelligence (gossip) about the politics of poetry behind #CUISLE. Must write blog post

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I’m so obsessed with marketing, I want to stay stuck at the rapport stage. I have great rapport with people who can’t afford to hire me

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BNI marketing campaign by omani continues shortly - in fact it’s on now: hi there BNI member…

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Cork: sitting in JurysCorkHotel recovering after the (Donegal) drive from Limerick, relaxing into BNI meeting in a few minutes

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Irish: we need great coaches here RT@SmarterEgg@Omaniblog Nov 27 - Association for Coaching, details here:http://snipurl.com/acievent

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Got so cross with Donegal I suppressed RT@eoinpurcell: not so sure about that Paul. I think they’re angry & often translates badly on air!

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Let’s take the focus off the amount of someone’s salary and keep it on whether they’ve delivered @JL_Pagano@tnteacherTim

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Irish: Salaries - there is no problem paying a high salary to someone who delivers high valueRT @JL_Pagano@tnteacherTim@Omaniblog

Irish "Donegal is a Catholic county" says a woman on national radio. Sounds like a bloody bigot to me

Irish Donegal: is there any chance of a decent conversation with your people? All your politicians sound Crap

Irish Donegal shouting on radio is putting me off going there on hols. As for investing there, anywhere else available?

Irish Donegal disgracing itself on Pat Kenny radio now

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What’s this about? RT @SmarterEgg:@krishnade Hoping to make it to the AC conference on Nov 27

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Irish Limerick: So far I’m the only one tweeting on #CUISLE - poets & lovers of poems don’t twitter?

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RT @zappos: "My goal in life is to be as good of a person as my dog already thinks I am." -Author Unknown (via @S_Wash)

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Whatever U read 2day read RT @therichbrooks: Which users R most affluent? MySpacers, Facebookers, Tweeps or LinkedIn?http://bit.ly/31ie5y

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Twitter: how much do I have to pay you to follow me? RT @Desbishop@davidmcw Follow me so I can DM you. I will be your best friend

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Follow me too RT @Desbishop@davidmcwFollow me so I can DM you. I will be your best friend

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@tnteacherTim Are you being unfair to Drumm to make your point? As @jl_pagano says "just asking"

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Irish: Wellsaid Me hate to live in Irish c/side. RT@WriterCJ: Ireland, catch up. Finns make bdband access legal right: http://ow.ly/usLm

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Agreed RT @therichbrooks: I like top 10 lists. "50 best" or "101 top" lists R good for Diggs, but too overwhelming to be really helpful.

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Joining PetaPixel.com Hoping to go beyond snaps…RT @petapixel: Hey photogs - Join our Flickr group! http://j.mp/AgOm0

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Thank you very much for your kind thoughts. When a beloved uncle passes away, it makes you think…

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Irish Limerick: Maurice Riordan from Glanmire, now in UK, read in The White House as part of#Cuisle: "The New Poetry 1603"

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Irish Limerick: Paul Muldoon went to listen to poets in The White House after operning#CUISLE last night. He didn’t do open mic

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Here you find a list you can learn from… RT@mediaprince: Top100 TwitterPublishingTools & Services - http://ow.ly/15V1gz

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After sex men Twitter & Facebook : read here RT@krishnade: Are you addicted To Facebook And Twitter? http://bit.ly/BJQMS

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Thanks Tony RT @tonyrobbins: "When you become a lover of what is, the war is over."Byron Katie

Depression & Health, Politics, Work & Play, Blogging & MediaOctober 8, 2009 7:40 am

I’m up against a deadline:  600 words expected today

Michael O’Leary won the Lisbon Referendum?  He deserves most of the credit the political change? Whatever your view on Lisbon, perhaps the most striking aspect of the last few weeks in Irish politics is the role of business.

Declan Ganley, a businessman, seized leadership of the NO campaign. For me the most memorable confrontation on TV  was between the RyanAir Ceo and Mr Ganley.

This time business mattered.  Business leaders came out in force to influence the result. 

The CEO of INtell made a huge contribution early on.  He took sides.  Put his company’s reputation on the line.

Traditionally, business lobbies behind the scenes.  Hires lobbyists to influence legislation at the earliest possible stage.  Business leaders keep quiet about national politics. They often back both horses in order to be able to influence overall political thinking.

This time, business got organised.  For example, Cork Chamber of Commerce put up huge posters calling for a Yes vote. There was a co-ordinated campaign by business to influence the referendum result.

The question now is: was this a one-off? Are business leaders going to keep it up over the next year? Or are they going to retire to the back benches?

Business people want to do business. They don’t particularly want to be attending to the political context.  However, there are times when it would be unwise to ignore the politics of the situation.

If the Lisbon vote had been No, would that have helped or hindered your business?

You can apply the same logic to the future…

What do you think of the McCarthy Report (July 2009)  That’s next on the political agenda. Have you got a copy? Have you assessed how it might affect your business prospects?

I’d like to argue  that

If you are a supplier to any section of government, local or national, you have an interest in the next budget

if your business prospects are going to be at stake, you have an interest in influencing the public debate

The traditional recicent of business may not serve business well.  Business leaders have a number of stakeholders to consider

shareholders

employees supplier customers wider society

Leaders need to think on all fronts, simultaneously.   

Will the business community take advantage of the practice it gained during the Lisbon Referendum?  Will it continue to engage in public debate of McCarthy before the budget in November? 

The voice of SMEs matters.  SMEs drive the national economy.  The enterprise behind SMEs is an essential part of the Irish  economy.  But it’s more important that that. SME enterprise influences the atmosphere in society, the sense of hope, the level of confidence. 

If you want to influence the political debate on your company’s half, this is what you can do:

Contact other business leaders in your network

and talk about the political debate and how it connects with business

Expand you network of contacts to spread the discussion among business leaders

build your reputation for being on the ball as a "thought leader"

contact and lobby the existing business organisations like chamber of commerce and ISME

write to your local newspapers

phone your local radio station

contribute to internet discussions on forums like david mcwilliams, irish politics, irish economy

see this as an opportunity to hone your political skills

Leading a business isn’t simply about customer service, price & value.  It’s about influencing the context within which business is carried on.

If you are seen to be actively improving the quality of debate about public issues your reputation grows and people will be more keen to do business with you.

If you leave it to others you run the risk of being reduced to complaining about what’s happened.

Seth Godin’s "Tribes - we need you to lead us" is a good book to read.  It’s short, easy to read and pointed.  If you fancy your leadership skills, try it.

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They’re yesterday’s raw notes - the first draft, unedited.  All came out in a splurge.  Please don’t hold me to any of the content.  I’ll edit it for publication over on Goodbiz.ie newsletter 

 

Depression & Health, Politics, Work & PlayOctober 7, 2009 10:08 am

I’ve begun "Doctoring The Mind - why psychiatric treatments fail".

It’ll take me a while to work my way through its 349 pages in hardback.  But I have the advantage of "Madness Explained - psychosis and human nature" in front of me.  [Benthall’s earlier book] 

Richard Benthall is important…

because he’s a clinical psychologist, not a psychiatrist.  He thinks about the issues and does his best to engage with psychiatrists.

As a "profession" psychiatrists behave like all professions: they defend themselves and their area of practice.  The role of the profession is to defend territory.

Day-to-day psychiatrists do their best to treat people like me who have vulnerable mental health. Strategically the profession of psychiatrists is engaged in an effort to carve out recognition of expertise.  As perhaps the lowest status group among medical professionals, they have their work cut out on that front.

On the public front, psychiatrist have a big interest in appearing competent.  They have a strong alliance with the pharmaceutical industry because they are inter-dependent.

Richard Benthall offers thoughts about research.  He’s taken the trouble to study the range and quality of psychiatric research, or should I say mental health research…

The first thing I underlined in "Doctoring The Mind" was "Carl Rogers" [page ix].  A man whose views I respect,  who helped form my thinking about my own mental health. Pete Saunders of PCCS Books alerted Richard to

"the contribution of Carl Rogers, which has almost been forgotten
by most clinical psychologists…"

This took me aback because I thought Carl Rogers’ place was secure. 

I’ll do my best to let you know how I get on with "Doctoring The Mind" [Allen Lane, imprint of Penguin Books]. 

Politics, Work & Play, ChildrenOctober 3, 2009 2:48 pm

I love it.  Grace, I love it.

You were old enough to stuff two ballot papers in the box downtheroad.  

In full view of the sleeping officials, you put your mother’s vote, and mine, in the box.  I’m sure that was contrary to Sub-Section 3.4 of Section 7.25 of the 2nd amendment to Section 8 of the 1995 Act as amended by Section 2 of the Amended Treaty…

The first crime of a four year old girl

- obviously brought up by negligent or subversive parents.

Now look what’s happened in the Lisbon.  A bloody landslide.  If your behaviour was repeated in every electoral ward round the country, there’s a chance the result will yet be declared invalid and awarded to President-in-Waiting Mr Declan Gantree…

Grace, I take full responsibility what what happened on my watch.  

I resign from the position of director of Grace Inc.  

It’s only fair I carry the can for the slipshod manner in which due process was observed.  I refuse to hide behind the defence that it was the Election Commissioner’s Office, that it was the Voting Regulator, that it was the Secretary of the Department for the survival of Fianna Fail as a going concern.

It’s time for me to go with bowed head.  Time for a decade or two doing charitable works of mercy, like Profumo did. 

Let me tender my resignation to your bored … 

Depression & Health, Politics, Work & PlayOctober 1, 2009 7:21 pm

The Irish National Service Users Executive (NSUE) is alive and kicking.

It’s stretched to bits organising elections to the executive.  So far, there have been elections in 1/4 of the country.  

Today I met Elizabeth O’Donovan, development officer of NSUE.  She told me the plan to complete all the elections by Xmas 2009 has been changed - to what I think is much more realistic target of mid 2010.

It’s an enormous job organising elections from scratch.  Building an electorate, keeping track of who’s eligible to vote and making sure there is plenty of encouragement for potential candidates. I know a bit about it because the first tranche of  elections was in this area (HSE -South).

Would you believe the electoral area that Liz is working on now (HSE - West) stretches from Limerick to Donegal?  I joke you not.

NSUE, as far as I know, has two paid employees: John Redican, chief executive, and Liz O’Donovan.  Jenny Kelly, Chair of NSUE, is working her socks off I bet.  But travelling up and down the west coast of Ireland, without a train service is no funny business. 

Depression & Health, Politics, Work & Play, Children, Customer service, Gardening, Photography & Travel, Food & Drink, History & MuseumsSeptember 23, 2009 10:03 am

In case you want to plan your visit to the southern part of Kerry, John O’Donoghue territory

Photograph of Office of Public Works (OPW) map on site… 

Politics, Work & Play, Photography & Travel, History & MuseumsSeptember 22, 2009 8:51 am
The taxi John O’Donoghue expected to be waiting for him @ Cheltenham Racecourse, as he spent his way through a fortune on behalf of the Irish people…
A replica is to be found in the house of Daniel O’Connell in Derrynane, south County Kerry.  The carriage would be drawn by four white horses.  Note John O’Donoghue’s chair on top…
Depression & Health, Politics, Poetry, Art & Science, Work & Play, Customer service, History & MuseumsSeptember 17, 2009 9:35 am

Yesterday afternoon, NAMA stripped off.  She opened up her dress, revealed herself naked and offered to spend years in bed with me. Her private parts were all mine.  She offered all I’d ever dreamed.  Stopped her titilating, teasing ways and gave herself to me.

Excited would be understatement.  I came.  I came right into her and everything I’d ever loved before faded.  NAMA & I were one explosion.  Completely & utterly seduced, this was my fulfillment, my most thorough coming of age. 

Could I satisfy her, insatiable wench?  Could I hold her whole body close to me for ever? Could I become her other self, as she was already mine?

Yesterday we coupled.  The pimp had done his work, earned his fee. What did I care how we’d come together? What did I care about anything else?  

and how she kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well her as another and then I asked her with my eyes to ask again yes and then she asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around her yes and drew her down to me so I could feel her breasts all perfume yes and my heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.

NAMA…  NAMA……….  NAMA. 

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